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forum Forum index forumPROGRÈS DE CONSTRUCTION - CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS forumBob P.

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 jpb
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  Posted 02/05/2006 01:17:28 AM
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Votre coque a belle allure. Prenez bien soin de vérifier plutot deux fois qu'une la position de la serre bauqière, de sa bonne position dépendra beaucoup le reste de la construction.
Bonne continuation.
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Your hull looks good.  Make sure that you check the location of the deck-clamp twice as a lot of the construction depends on it.
Good luck.

JPB  

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 Rpowell
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  Posted 02/05/2006 10:56:27 AM
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Hello Jean Paul,
Sounds like very good advice. As you can see from the photo I mark the lines on the outside of the hull with an adjustable pencil height gauge and then check the marks with the machinist height gauge. In spite of the double check on measurements, I found I had to move a portion of the deck beam clamp on the port bow. A height error which I did not notice until I attempted to install a ceiling plank below it. c'est la vie
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Une bonne suggestion.  Comme vous pouvez le voir sur la photo je trace les lignes sur l'extérieur à l'aide d'un turpin ajustable.  Même en ayant verifié à plusieures reprises j'ai du élever une portion de la serre beauquière sur le côté babord à l'avant.  Une erreur que je n'avais pas remarqué avant d'installer la vaigre qui est placée directement au dessous.

Bob  

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  Posted 02/05/2006 12:12:28 AM
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Joli travail, Bob. On attend avec impatience la vue de l'ensemble vaigré  
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Nice job, Bob. We wait impatiently  for a screenshot of all of it planked  

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 Rpowell
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  Posted 02/05/2006 02:27:26 PM
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Armand,

I too wait impatiently for the completion of the interior planking.
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J'attendais également avec impatience d'avoir terminé le vaigrage.

Bob  

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  Posted 06/05/2006 05:33:55 PM
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Sent by / Envoyé par Bob P.
05/06/2006


http://bonhrichard.com/BobPceiling01.jpg

http://bonhrichard.com/BobPceiling02.jpg  

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  Posted 06/05/2006 05:36:28 PM
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Hi Bob,

Looking good.
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Beau travail.

Gilles  

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 Bosco
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  Posted 06/05/2006 11:24:28 PM
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 Bob

Une belle réalisation  
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Nice work.    

 

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  Posted 06/05/2006 11:44:58 PM
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C'est très beau.
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Very nice.

Pierre  

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 aruzand
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  Posted 07/05/2006 01:45:35 AM
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Bob,c'est du beau travail .Merci de nous signaler en détails les difficultés que vous rencontrez et leurs solutions et continuez à nous montrer les photos de l'avancement du vaigrage.C'est trés important pour ceux (moi   qui s'approchent de cette nouvelle étape.  
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Nice work Bob.  Thank you for telling us about some of the difficulties you are encountering (as well as the solutions).  Keep showing photos of your progress.  It is very important for the ones (me ) who are getting closer to this stage.    

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  Posted 07/05/2006 07:15:23 AM
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Belle réussite.
Je remarque un très bel alignement des allonges, chose dificile à obtenir.
Quant au vaigrage, il semble que les vaigres de la partie avant aient été taillées en forme et non pas ployées. Est-ce que je me trompe ?  
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I see that the frames are nicely lined up, it is difficult to do.
As for the inner planking, it looks like the forward part of the planks has been cut to follow the shape and not just bent in place.  Am I mistaking?    
Pierre B.  

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  Posted 07/05/2006 07:53:40 AM
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Hello Pierre,

Actually  The bow and stern ceiling planks were soaked in plain water for about 15 Minutes and bent wet in a jig.  (Gilles may post some photos I sent separately). When dry the planks were cut to the proper taper on a belt sander.  They were then soaked again in plain water and applied wet to the hull and clamped in place with some modest sideways bending. When dry, after a few hours, they were glued and clamped to the frames. Some final sanding should finish the ceiling installation.

The biggest problem is in improvising suitable clamping below the turn of the bilge.  I even resorted to cutting wedges to hold some of the planks in place.

Also I found sanding inside the the doubly concave surface of the bow tedious at best. A good set of riffler files helps. I am still not finished sanding. Seems like I spend as much time sanding as I do building.
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Les bordés pour l’avant et l’arrière sont trempés dans de l’eau pour environ un quart d’heure puis serrés dans un gabarit.  Après sèchage elles sont mises en forme à l’aide d’une ponceuse puis retrempés et installés.  Après sèchage définitif les bordés sont collés à la membrure.  Le ponçage final aura lieu après installation complète du vaigrage.
Le problème le plus important est dans la fabrication de serre joint pour tenir les vaigres en place.
J’ai également trouvé que le ponçage des surface concaves est difficile.  Il me semble que je passe autant de temps à poncer qu’à construire.


Regards
Bob  

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 jpb
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  Posted 09/05/2006 02:06:40 AM
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Rien a ajouter, vous faites du beau travail Bob.  
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Nothing to add.  Bob, you are doing some nice work.    

JPB  

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  Posted 13/05/2006 06:16:54 PM
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http://bonhrichard.com/BobPceiling06.jpg

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  Posted 13/05/2006 06:30:51 PM
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Thank you Jean-Paul for the compliment, even though I have much room for improvement. You, Marcel and Gilles as well as the other GV participants have been a great inspiration. Perhaps I'll one day still reach the "Arsenal" caliber
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Jean Paul, merci pour les compliments, même si j'ai encore beaucoup de progrès à faire.  Vous, Marcel et Gilles ainsi que les autres particpants êtes tous une grande inspiration.  Peut être qu'un jour j'atteindrai un niveau digne d'être appelé "Arsenal".

Regards
Bob  

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  Posted 13/05/2006 11:34:55 PM
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It's very nice   perfect.
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C'est très beau  parfait

Pierre  

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  Posted 25/05/2006 09:19:31 PM
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Photos envoyées par / Photos sent by Bob P.

http://www.bonhrichard.com/BobPinside.jpg

http://www.bonhrichard.com/BobPfrontinside.jpg

http://www.bonhrichard.com/BobPinsideback.jpg

http://www.bonhrichard.com/BobPupperstern01.jpg

   

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  Posted 25/05/2006 11:52:15 PM
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Hello all
I should probably note that the stern frame assembly jig is being fabricated ala Gilles Korent. The above Photo is of a dry fit to check the angle. The dovetails in the foot of the frames are not yet cut. Curvature of the transom is also still to added to the jig. You will also note that the frames joints are on the wrong sides of the sternpost.  That will corrected before gluing in the final assembly.
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Le gabarit pour la construction de la charpente arrière suit celui de Gilles.  La photo montré ci-dessus n'est qu'une mise en place provisoire.  Les queues d'arronde n'ont pas encore été découpé.  La courbe du tableau doit également être ajouté.  Vous noterez que les joints sont à l'envers par rapport à l'étambot.  Ce détail sera corrigé lors du collage.

Regards
Bob  

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  Posted 26/05/2006 01:13:22 AM
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Nice work.

Just one question: as far as I can see, you're going to let one side without planking. What about the 2 ranks of "spacers" you added between the frames on the higher parts ? Are they glued and going to remain in place ?  

Joli travail.

Juste une question: tel que je le vois, vous allez laisser un côté non bordé. Qu'allez-vous faire des 2 rangs de "cales" ajoutés entre le haut des couples ? Sont-ils collés et destinés à restés en place ?

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  Posted 26/05/2006 08:17:00 AM
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Armand,

Thank you for your comment.

The spacers referred to were used originally because I neglected to leave enough extra length on the frames. Actually embarrassing as it is, I must admit I mistook the backside of the beam clamps on plate 10 for spacers which would provide an alterative to the the bracing on the extra length of the frames. Gilles was kind enough to call me on this error early on, but I had already made most of the frames and needed some way to hold the frames together for fairing.

My original intention was to pop out all of those spacers, to be consistent with the plans but I got carried away with the interior planking and put it off.  I believe I can still pop most of them out.  In any case they will be covered by exterior planking from the wales up on both the port and the starboard ides as well as interior planking from the deck up. Below the wales I will likely fully plank the starboard side and leave the port side unplanked except for a few planks below the wales.

Bob  

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  Posted 26/05/2006 08:38:22 AM
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Yes, I remember now Gilles note. Anyway, if it's hidden, I think the best is to leave them in place, and not take any risk about breaking something. Nobody, but you, will see them once finished  ;)

Oui, je me rappelle la remarque de Gilles maintenant. De toutes façons, je pense que le mieux est de laisser, et ne pas prendre le risque de casser quelque chose. Personne ne le verra une fois fini, à part vous  

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